2000 years ago there was a man born contrary to the laws of nature.
this man was reared in obscurity.
earthly riches were not important to him.
Logical,
Does it really matter if a person is 100% correct about if Jesus is God or not?
Will a person loose salvation if they are mistaken either way?
Isn't the real important thing "Beleiving Jesus Died for our sins"?
Not whether Jesus is God or not.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.
they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.
however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.
Achristian,
Your speculations intrigue me.
If you read some of my posts on other threads, you will see that when I feel a person is full of SugarHoneyIceTea I will tell him.
I respect your thoughts on Scripture, for I see they are well thought out, and offer very plausible speculations, even Alan has respect for you, and that is not a minor matter.
Your ressurrection senerio is more like what I too beleive.
I alway found the WT's:
New but Identical body, with video taped thoughts(sorta) inplanted in the mind ='s a ressurrection of the person stupid.
I alway felt their must be some essents of the person that must continues on after death of the body, that is restored to another body thru ressurection.
I have to admit all your speculations as very plausible, along with illustrations that are related to the things discussed.
Your stlye of trying to be as simple as the stituation will allow has a ring of truth to it. To me when a person makes something more complicated that nessasary and more twist than absolutly needed, be careful the arguement is has too many variable that make it a house of cards.
Tell us more.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
just in case any lurkers here may be in doubt about the criticisms made of the witnesses' idolizing of an organisation, here is a selection of their claims, in their own words:.
"he [god] does not impart his holy spirit and an understanding and appreciation of his word apart from his visible organisation.
" (the watchtower, july 1, 1965, page 391).
ozzie,
Nice bunch of quotes, I think it will open the eyes the the HONEST HEARTED JWs.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
steve 17 .
manuel 12 .
nicole 9 .
Those are some nice pictures.
Have a Merry Christmas Lilacs.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.
they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.
however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.
Achristian,
You have done a good job, I enjoy reading your posts.
But you raise some questons in your explaination of Adam & Eve.
I believe that the Bible tells us of God's creation of the human race in Gen.1:26-30. I believe that the Bible tells us of God's later creation of Adam and Eve in Gen. 2:4-3:24.I believe that God "created" the human race when He began giving highly evolved primates the ability to comprehend various "spiritual" concepts and, more importantly, when He began giving them eternal spirits. I believe these were the creative acts spoken of in Gen. 1:27.
I believe Adam and Eve were individually created by God, just as Genesis tells us they were, many thousands of years after God created the human race to serve as representatives of their race for the purpose of illustrating some important lessons. The first lesson I believe God used Adam and Eve to teach us was that all human beings are less righteous than God. And because we all are less righteous than God, none of us is deserving of eternal life.
I can see your reasoning as something I need seriously concider.
But one question if I may?
If this is true and sin didn't come from one man Adam but was already with the human race, then why did Christ have do die as a ransom?
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
i have heard many people say how confused the bible (specifically the new testament) makes them.
it seems as if the writers jump to different subject that make no sense.
for me it has been very helpful to read the scriptures with love being the purpose of everything they say.
Carmel,
That's interesting too bad we don't know who bought all those Korans.
It wouldn't be too impressive if it turn out too be manly muslims.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
2000 years ago there was a man born contrary to the laws of nature.
this man was reared in obscurity.
earthly riches were not important to him.
ISP,
How can you make this statement with such conviction?:
Hope you don't get disappointed, Rick. If your faith does you good...good for you! For many the Jesus life was created. His stuff isn't written about until the 2nd century.Listen to ISP he's such a Know-it-all.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
after reading the comments from many on the thread "is there a purpose in life" by itsjustme , posted a couple of days ago i am confussed.. i cannot understand how anyone can be content and not believe life has a purpose.. to not be compelled to wonder how all the design around us is just here because who knows why ......totally baffles me.. at this point in my life believe in a creator but have so many unanswered questions.
things do not make sense in the bible.. if i were to come to believe that the bible were a fairytale of myths...i would feel as stupid as i did when finding out the borg was a crock.. i also would be emotionally devastated.. here are some samples of your comments about lifes purpose.
we may have been put here by someone, or we may not have.
Frenchy,
You are a smart cookie, I think Jesus said to keep on searching and you will find.
But don't let anyone get you to cut short the search.
Good point:
A purpose would necessarily involve an intelligent creator. Intent cannot be attributed to an accident since by very definition an accident is not by design and therefore has no purpose in view.Don't settle on the purposeless.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
what is evil?.
who defines what is truly evil?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
jst,
Don't make this so personal, it's not it's just grown ups having fun from different points of veiw.
We test things that way.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
what is evil?.
who defines what is truly evil?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Farkel,
Your argument postulates premises that allow for contradiction.
These premises are not nessasarily true.:
Oh, so then YOU either a) have a standard of your own that God must measure up to, or you believe that b) there is another standard that God must measure up to which is independent of his own standards.”Why do you postulate only 2 choices? Arn't their any more?
And this:
“That’s circular reasoning. You are using the conclusion to prove the premise, which you use to prove the conclusion, which you use to prove the premise which you use to prove the… See what I mean?”I never heard this type of reasoning did you make that up?
And
“God COULD order that torturing someone to death for being caught with a Donald Duck comic book is a “right” punishment. He might never do it, but he could do it, couldn’t he?”Oh come on now, lets be just a little bit real.
Need I go on?
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
